1 (edited by Empty Name 2012-09-14 18:48:56)

Topic: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

Saw that this morning in my youtube video list





I'm currently pretty surprised to see that, it made maybe a while but ZUN said that the Touhou licence musn't be used for commercial purpose excepted for doujin material (okay these songs are from doujin materials but they're used for a Konami game), I'd be curious to know what he thinks about that.
Seems like that these artists (majority already linked to the game) don't care, forget this rule that has may evolved since 2008 or just simply asked ZUN for a permssion to use these songs but I found nothing about that (even on his Twitter where he usually reacts to things like that).
Edit, just noticed that, there's a  minus "Team Shanghai Alice copyright" under images, but it doesn't give any ideas if the boss is ok or not.
So shitstorm incoming ?

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whatever the hell sound voltex is, I want it


I already play touhou songs in other games anyway
(osu,o2jam, stepmania)


Though yeah, this time it's in a commercial work - so most likely zun will be upset (again), lol

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3 (edited by nameless 2012-09-14 17:34:51)

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Bemani fans either love or hate Touhou. Not sure if want.
A lot of doujin artists are contributing music to sound voltex booth, so not surprised that touhou sneaked into it, since vocaloid has as well.

Here is gameplay of listed song: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm18878068

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A lot of doujin artists are contributing music to sound voltex booth, so not surprised that touhou sneaked into it,

Yeah, I agree, should happened since REDALiCE has started to be a regular Bemani Head now, personally it doesn't bother me because I don't care but I can get that including Touhou song in Bemani could be very annoying for some peoples.

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Mind if I ask what Benami or Sound Voltex is, and why Touhou is a love/hate thing with them? Whether I know what this is or not though, if it's commercial I don't think ZUN would be to pleased about it.

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Wikipedia page of the game is pretty great. As you can see there's a lot of vocaloid and doujins artists included in it and Bemani is a word formed of Konami and Beatmania who's the musical game division of the compagny and that include series of games like Beatmania, Drum Mania, Reflec Beat, Jubeat and the game we're talking about, Sound Voltex

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Bemani is Konami's rhythm game division. Basically, it's the company that makes most of the popular Japanese rhythm games found in Japanese arcades. Bemani is pretty much the Capcom of rhythm games. People are unfamiliar with Bemani in the west because there isn't enough exposure of it. The only Bemani game which had some success to the US was DDR.


About the hate on Touhou, Bemani artists are loosely related to j-core/doujin circles, (you see Ryu☆ and kors k on TANO*C). Touhou music which is related to the doujin/j-core scene is ruining the scene with it's repetitive arranges. Some arranges are really bad as well. ALiCE's EMOTiON and other circles used to focus on other game music to arrange, but now it is only Touhou because it sells.


Also, I recommend any Bemani game to anyone who really likes rhythm games. Stop playing osu/stepmania or western rhythm games like rock band/guitar hero.

8 (edited by Melancholic 2012-09-14 22:16:38)

Re: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

Touhou is ruining the doujin j-core scene! sad


While these circles have the right to do as they please with their songs, you should probably reconsider if your actions go directly against the wishes of the man you're paying homage to.


I really hope they asked for and got permission. Do not invoke the wrath of ZUN.

Re: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

^ wait, what? (no i'm not talking about the pic, lol)


All the songs on my music players are Touhou songs / remixes, cept this certain one which is a pikmin song but i'm listening to it because it was used in a Touhou video

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Well it's true

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@Empty Name and nameless, thank you for answering that.

nameless wrote:

About the hate on Touhou, Bemani artists are loosely related to j-core/doujin circles, (you see Ryu☆ and kors k on TANO*C). Touhou music which is related to the doujin/j-core scene is ruining the scene with it's repetitive arranges. Some arranges are really bad as well. ALiCE's EMOTiON and other circles used to focus on other game music to arrange, but now it is only Touhou because it sells.

I do enjoy the Touhou music scene but I do agree that some artists should spread out some more. Touhou isn't the only thing out there to remix, or hell make a brand new song of your own if you can. There's nothing stopping you, unless your contract somehow says you can only make Touhou remixes which I doubt it does.

Bnelsey wrote:

All the songs on my music players are Touhou songs / remixes, cept this certain one which is a pikmin song but i'm listening to it because it was used in a Touhou video

Wow. Is Ai no Uta really the only non-Touhou song you have?

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Empty Name wrote:

Saw that this morning in my youtube video list





I'm currently pretty surprised to see that, it made maybe a while but ZUN said that the Touhou licence musn't be used for commercial purpose excepted for doujin material (okay these songs are from doujin materials but they're used for a Konami game), I'd be curious to know what he thinks about that.
Seems like that these artists (majority already linked to the game) don't care, forget this rule that has may evolved since 2008 or just simply asked ZUN for a permssion to use these songs but I found nothing about that (even on his Twitter where he usually reacts to things like that).
Edit, just noticed that, there's a  minus "Team Shanghai Alice copyright" under images, but it doesn't give any ideas if the boss is ok or not.
So shitstorm incoming ?

surprised?

I think more than one fan MUST be, after all, the february 2008 guidelines says specifically that the Touhou songs/material or anything related to it, can't be published in commercial ways, and if anybody wants to do it, must ask permission, but as I can see, I don't see anything related to credits to Shanghai Alice

Bnelsey wrote:

whatever the hell sound voltex is, I want it

I already play touhou songs in other games anyway
(osu,o2jam, stepmania)

Though yeah, this time it's in a commercial work - so most likely zun will be upset (again), lol

Upset will be few, compared to the things that would happen

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13 (edited by Empty Name 2012-09-15 08:26:19)

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Someone asked ZUN on Twitter about that, accorded to Google traduction he's okay and doesn,'t seem to be annoyed by that because he thinks that his 2008 rules were a bit too strict.
So more Touhou song incoming in Bemani series in the future ? : (

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Re: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

Touhou also gives bad name to male vocals

It attracts the worst kind of male vocalist possible, while the good ones are rarely seen around

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Man, BEMANI has really been reaching out to the Doujin community recently. They already had REDALiCE create a few songs for some of their games but I never expected a Touhou Arrange song to pop up in one of their games at some point.


I'm really curious about how ZUN will respond to this.

16 (edited by Okuu851 2012-09-15 09:22:23)

Re: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

@dieathan I always thought ZUN was okay with fanmade stuff but not okay with commercialized stuff and doing things like these without his permission, I think in the above people said there was no crediting or what not, but I think Empty Name explained it in post or two above you, don't know what this means though if this keeps going on with the remixes and stuff

http://i.imgur.com/pz7EUsp.png

Re: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

speaking of commercial

Touhou Alternative Rock general - DisortedConnection

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I just watched that video and I am not sure what this game graffiti kingdom is nor why Reimu is In it, though I am sure I would know more If I knew the game better

http://i.imgur.com/pz7EUsp.png

Re: Konami will include popular Touhou remixes in Sound Voltex

I remember seeing a Koishi version in that game on a video.

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Hmmm..I think ZUN can stop people from using his work if he use conditions like these:

1- Doujin circles can use his work only for sale like they do in events like Comikets and Reitaisai when they make a fan game or release albums.

2- If the doujin circles allow their work to be used commercially, then they're prohibited from using his works again..

The solution for ZUN is so simple and obvious, he has the right to do things but I wonder if he ignore them purposely, I have the feeling that ZUN will someday lose Touhou Project completely roll

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21 (edited by blitzscreig 2012-09-15 17:32:28)

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Empty Name wrote:

Someone asked ZUN on Twitter about that, accorded to Google traduction he's okay and doesn,'t seem to be annoyed by that because he thinks that his 2008 rules were a bit too strict.
So more Touhou song incoming in Bemani series in the future ? : (

Wow so he's being more open now? I'm not sure that sounds like such a good idea.

Okuu851 wrote:

I just watched that video and I am not sure what this game graffiti kingdom is nor why Reimu is In it, though I am sure I would know more If I knew the game better

ZUN was involved in the production of Graffiti Kingdom (as well as other Taito games), so I guess since he worked on it it's o.k. even thought it's commercial work.
Little interestig trivia if you didn't know:
He got the alias ZUN from the Taito sound team Zuntata, and Taito made one of his favorite shoot'em up games, Daruis Gaiden which is one bit of reasoning for why he started Touhou Project.

Rokoji wrote:

I remember seeing a Koishi version in that game on a video.

  You must be talking about this. Show

Personally I like this one better. Show

Lastly, I agree with RemiliaLover, mostly with the part about how someday he'll completely lose Touhou Project someday -_-
This reminds of the copyright thread a while back. Since it's actually copyrighted to Team Shanghai Alice and not Touhou project, would there really be a major problem here besides being used commercially?

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@Blitz Never knew that or about the origins of his name, also Remilia lover makes some nice points about ZUN originally it was fanmade stuff but this comercializing thing I thought he never wanted, I always thought that Touhou was better being a non mainstream type of thing, with the fans contributing

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FrequencyBlue wrote:

Touhou also gives bad name to male vocals

It attracts the worst kind of male vocalist possible, while the good ones are rarely seen around

The only male vocalist people actually know is beatmario anyway, lol

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blitzscreig wrote:

Wow. Is Ai no Uta really the only non-Touhou song you have?

i have a crapton of other songs (mostly anime, also a lot of oldies) but i never listen to them and they'll never find their way into my playlists / music players in the foreseeable future

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FrequencyBlue wrote:

speaking of commercial

Couldn't be a regular shrine maiden?

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